Extra Credits Goes Insane As They Push For More Politics In Games

Extra Credits Goes Insane As They Push For More Politics In Games



greetings and salutations friends today I was sent a video by extra credits called stop and normalising Nazis socially-conscious game design Wow extra credit says TV it is quite heavily from what I remember they once did I haven't watched too much of their stuff but I did watch them a few years ago and this this wasn't the stuff they did back then and as far as a way I am aware it's not April either so it isn't a joke I presume and this is a very relevant topic today which is why we're gonna have a look at it because there are a lot of games that are being forced to adopt a certain political agenda the one that we all know we thought it is and the problem is unless you do video games in politics together very very very carefully it almost always ends up badly because video games are all about giving personal freedom to the player to the avatar allowing you to do whatever you want to do and that tends to end rather badly when you're trying to push a certain political agenda doesn't it which is why did my opinion it'd be way better if we simply just fucking didn't so this will be a bit of an off-the-cuff a response to this because I do believe this needs some pushback because we don't need politics in our video games we really really don't and I am 99% certain that the entire point here is going to be imagery bad not for any particular reason but because we don't like it and therefore we would like to see it or moved from video games let's see how correct I am there you are playing the PvP in your world war 2 shooter and all of the sudden you're a Nazi yes just like that you have joined the Nazi Party and you're goose stepping down streets shooting Bolsheviks and udin I suppose it sounds like a bit of a stretch where are they going with this you didn't ask for this you didn't choose this well no I I know hold on a second you're playing a world war 2 shooter I believe you expressively both asked for and chose this who did you think you'd be fighting against and for were you imagining perhaps that you would invade the British Isles with Patton that'd be funny I'm sure but it's not regularly in a normally speaking the the thing so yeah I think you did actually best for this very specifically fuck you paid for it yep there it is yeah there it is Wow new use battlefield as the example fine there isn't even any Nazi ideology or an idea and identification imagery it was the word I was looking for in battlefield I mean here um that now the Nazis didn't use that much any armbands any rooms any any any SS iconography maybe no new no nothing they just looked like I remember battlefield looking with soldiers supposedly wearing a random hodgepodge of equipment like this guy of the sniper rifle carrying around magazines for an mp40 and the guy with an h TG 44 doing the exact same thing the this is why I hated battlefield to you by the way these doesn't even look like Germans much less Nazis this guys wearing Celtic war pink for fuck's sake and it's treated no differently than playing a British soldier correct Danny's because as far as the video game is concerned there is no difference well beyond their equipment I suppose any battlefield even less so where both sides essentially just looks like a random hodgepodge of hobos who is extraordinarily non-standard equipment but as far as the video game gives concerned no there is no difference between a British soldier and the gym soldier they are simply just cameras floating around the battlefield with a series of hit boxes and the only real difference is in their visual appearance at least to some fucking degree but not much and the weapons they have available to them beyond that there is no difference ah ow airs bleeding fuck ah note to self turn down volume in editing can I skip that please that was genuinely painful right about there this is bad on so many levels why no one should ever have a random chance of fighting for the Nazis when you're not fighting for the Nazis you're playing a video game I believe you are having a certain problem here with confusing a reality and fantasy and besides random chance don't you usually pick your sides in these games and even if you do get hooked on the other team so what and we should never express that there's no meaningful difference between Nazis and Allied soldiers or that they're functionally interchangeable oh no there they are there they literally are as far as the video game is concerned they are functionally interchangeable with the difference as being in visuals and weaponry that's it these aren't actual Nazis and British we haven't developed the technology yet where we can remote control people has video games we've defeated the Nazis over half a century ago they're gone deal with it and before anyone equivocates and says not all German soldiers in World War two were Nazis if they were wearing the swastika and are functioning as an arm of the Nazi government then unless the game goes out of its way to tell you specifically that your particular character is not a Nazi then there are Nazi alright well by your reasoning there there is nothing wrong with Battlefield they are not wearing the swastika and being fucking polygons they're not fighting for the Third Reich either and hell by that logic if we were to take it one step further that would also make every Red Army soldier guilty of every atrocity that the Soviet unit committed it would make every British soldier responsible for every war crime committed by the British because here's the thing war is rarely a pretty business there is no such thing as pure good and pure evil in warfare it is all shades of grey the Germans committed war crimes the Soviets committed war crime the Japanese committed war crimes the Americans and the British – just an example the bombing of Dresden for example by the Geneva treaty Dresden was off limit and that was burned to the fucking ground unrestricted submarine warfare that too was illegal and yet basically every single party engaged in that to the point when grant and Murrell Donuts was on trial I believe they wanted to give him the death penalty for breaching the rules of war with unrestricted submarine warfare when the American Admiral at the time stood up and when this is fucking ridiculous if you can judge him for that you're gonna have to judge all of us as well so yeah how about we just don't instead of having to drag real history into this can't we just have it be a video game can it can we not just have this be escapism please in that multiplayer shooter when it switched you to the German side did it go out of its way to tell you that the person you're playing was pressed into service under threat of their life yeah that's a big old note and why and again you'd have to put that off basically well not all but most of the sides to the Soviets divorce was your was Nikolaj pressed into service do you fucking care why should you care it's a video game dear mr. and mrs. polygon your son polygon jr. was killed on the Western Front is pixelated blood will long be remembered in the names of the pixel right pointless oh and on a similar note let's please stop forcing people to play as terrorists as well why that's quite the fucking segue but right now one now we've talked about Counter Strike there you are playing your modern shooter and all of a sudden you're a terrorist you didn't ask for this you didn't choose this and yet second verse same as the first there it is second verse same as the first yes you did choose this you actively sort it out the video game didn't break into your living room Hall the Luger up to your head and go like it shall be a terrorist now hahahahaha that's that's not happy you keeps function shit ah this is some dumb-dumb I mean that's literally the name of your side in the game well don't play them then select the other team oh hell don't play the game to begin with if you are so fucking frightened of being on the terrorist team hell I'd be more concerned with the Pokemon there in the corner honestly we can do better than this why you haven't established why this is bad you've just gone like this is bad and we should fix it now this is a problem entirely of your own making and I don't think we should do anything about this in fact I am pretty sure that whatever your solution is it's gonna be a hell of a lot worse than the quote-unquote problem even if you put aside all of the people who have had traumatic experiences with these groups I will I will happily put aside those groups because I really don't care like okay here's the here's the thing so you state that we should not draw a moral equivalence between the Nazis and the Allies alright there there there isn't a moral equivalent well there is to a certain degree but once again it is all about degrees it is sadly the nature of war that it is very rarely fought in an overly chivalrous fashion shit tends to go down when countries are engaged in the business of invading one another oddly a bloody enough but okay I refuse to draw another moral equivalence between this grandmother here who presumably had her entire family wiped out in the Holocaust who decided to go into a game stop and pick up call of duty World War 2 install it burn it up see all of the imagery play it end up on the German team and then gonna ask mine god I have been traumatized because in that situation the only one with agency the only one to choose to be put in that situation is the poorer lady the video game didn't do anything the video game once again didn't infiltrate her house in the middle of the night and you know just slowly sneak up to her as she slept and then resting on top of her face so that she'd woke up in the morning and screaming terror at the video game there is no equivalent between those two the person who chooses to buy a world war 2 video game and then gets traumatized from it that that person is responsible for that the video game did literally nothing wrong game literally can't do anything wrong in that regard who have lost loved ones to terrorists or who have had generations of their families wiped out by Nazis no one should have to put on the costume of an ideology they find abhorrent once again nobody's forcing you there isn't a stone bun fee owner of the loogie nearby holding it to your head and forcing you to cosplay as the Nazis if this is such a big deal don't play World War two shooters problem solved without actually opting into it in your game again how can you not oh god just don't opt into it this entire argument is based on the ridiculous idea that there are people out there who are being forced to play as Nazis also hate the fact there's no actual Nazi image here but thought they didn't get even get the colorfully uniform right and by making people do so we get them to stop thinking about it oh goodie finally we arrived at the reason why this is supposedly bad to stop thinking of the meaning behind these things we normalized them yes yes entirely correct we normalize video games we normalize playing video games and viewing them as video games that is entirely correct my boy because that is it's nothing more than that it's just video games in fact this entire argument your argument being that because there are Germans in the video game or even Nazi symbolism Germans therefore we are morally corrupted by their somehow this is the precise same argument as spouted by jack thompson and such crazies where video game violence will make you violent it's it's the precise same argument because this thing exists and because you are able to play with this thing ergo you are now subjected to this thing you are affected by this thing and nobody believes that nobody believes that violent video games will normalize violence because it doesn't we have studied this and I refuse to believe that a uniform has any greater effect on us we make them just window dressing for entertainment precisely that is all they are entertainment nothing more nothing less those uniforms those symbols become things that no longer inherently revolt us why should they it's clothing and that's still the iron fucking cross you dick weights that hasn't you okay let me just to do a little bit of a journalist thing here that's the iron cross it was a military decoration not made by the Nazis it was simply used by the Nazis by that very same idea you currently speaking into a microphone you you're normalizing Nazism aren't you because Hitler used a microphone gas Hitler used images in propaganda you should probably shut down your channel now because clearly you're a fascist it's ridiculous it's utterly lunacy they reduced our visceral reaction to seeing the embodiment of these ideologies it's not the embodiment of these ideologies it's a fucking video game now does this make us totally ignore the history that comes with them no but apparently it does make us make videos arguing for why we should ban these things in video games you are quite clearly conflating reality with fantasy here and you've yet to establish any kind of point why the I mean hell if you are even saying that seeing these things don't make us for history then what's your point why is it bad but for some people it moves them from the territory of revolting to just edgy and it makes scrawling a swastika on something change from unthinkable to just dangerous and okay this is partially the power of symbolism isn't it for some people the American flag is a symbol of hatred and oppression for some people the swastika is a symbol of hatred and oppression for some people the Soviet flag the hammer and sickle is a symbol of hatred and oppression this is entirely what you put in it a swastika is no more inherently dangerous offensive or powerful than well this drawing is you need to stop giving them power right now this video is basically arguing that because we have not even em and not even Nazi imagery according to their own example but merely just German soldiers in a game is that alone is enough to desensitize people and make them spray-paint swastika some cats apparently it's retarded it's utterly ridiculous these symbols do not have any power on their own and you trying desperately to give them power is the exact opposite of what we need to do we need to demystify the symbol REE rather than wiping them up as some kind of magical force for God's sake it means you might not take iron crosses all over a web site as a warning sign that you should immediately leave speaking over you have iron crosses in your video I guess that means that we should take that as a sign to leave your website isn't it or maybe that's a ridiculous generalization just fucking maybe and if you don't leave you might start reading and buying into hateful ideas they're hateful ideas such as you cannot have German soldiers and video games because it'll make you enter nuts yeah this is the first point I agree with if you see iron crosses Jordan in this particular fashion turn around and leave because you are in a silly silly place it seems like such a small and simple thing because it is but it's things like this that erode our safeguards against dangers we sacrifice so much to fight again it is the precise same argument as video game violence makes people violent it is the precise same argument wood for word by the time you've played a hundred hours of being a Nazi their voice stabs become memes and in jokes with your friends by the time you've played a hundred hours of killing people in a video game murder becomes normalized to you by the thousandth time you respond as a terrorist you're either celebrating them or making fun of them by the thousands time you've shot a German in a video game you have begun to celebrate it you've begun to think maybe maybe all humans squish like this or maybe fucking not maybe that isn't what actually happened maybe the human brain is able to differentiate between fiction and reality just you know possibly neither of which helps the global crisis we have that takes thousands of lives every year you know if you want to fix the global crisis of terrorism instead of making videos called stop normalizing Nazis perhaps you should start making videos questioning radical Islam a fuck they might have I haven't watched a channel in a while though judging by the tenor on tone of this video I'd be surprised so what do we do but nothing absolutely fucking nothing because this isn't a problem and you have failed to present it as any sort of a problem it's easy don't make them morally equivalent they're not the two signs are not morally equivalent everybody knows that but as video game characters yeah they're the exact same they are simply just a camera running around with a gun don't make there be no in-game moral difference between your Nazis and your allies no don't do that don't don't force morality into video game it's just a shooter there should be no more forceful reality about Germans versus allies than there should be force morality about not shooting people because it's a bloody video game between your terrorists and your Counter Terrorist squats frame PvP as a training exercise or why why what if I don't want to play a training exercise simply take one of your non odious sides and recolor them so that it's red vs. blue no if I want to play of world war ii shooter i would like to play a world war ii shooter and making the germans blue and the americans red is kinda gonna fuck with the entire point of that isn't it you know beyond making it cartoonish and easy to identify i suppose and well again bring us back to battlefield I had almost preferred if there was a color differences but in the bloody – rather than axis versus allies a good example of a game that does this is Rainbow six siege ok but again you know answering the question of what if I don't want to play that game what if I want to play my will war 2 game all of your bomb defusion and hostage-rescue multiplayer with no normalizing terrorists in fact by having all of the characters as counter terrorists training for a possible threat it highlights how real and present of a threat that is if they are to smoke Muhammad is all the hostages oh that's horrible but statistically more true than what they're saying and if you decide that you need to have both sides be playable don't make them interchangeable again but we're already not doing this the two sides are different by sheer virtue of being different sides with different weapons and different vehicles don't add morality into this because there's simply no point there's no reason there's no imperative to do so don't have players randomly spawn in as one or the other oh oh wait hold on Wow players to choose which side they're on yeah I thought it would be something like that so a feature that's been in video games sins forever basically uh-huh being able to pick your team yeah I remember being able to do that in battlefield 1940 fucking – this isn't a problem now of course this has all sorts of in-game problems such as creating shorter wait times for fascists what but that's the indie game problem Shea I was kind of thinking like oh they're gonna bring up a mechanical flaw here but shit I didn't see that one coming shorter wait times oh there that truly is a horrible thing but you know what those wait times could be artificially extended what why why Oh God this is this video in a nutshell isn't it oh hey this is a theoretical problem we can't really explain why this is a problem how it will come about or why even indeed it is a problem but this is a theoretical problem I have made up primarily in my own twisted mind and here is an overly draconian ridiculous solution to my invented problem yeah how about just know if it meant players had an active choice in what teams they would represent if you're saying we need people playing Nazis in our games and if you're going to say but we need it for historical reasons then your game better actually be historical no this is another retarded argument that these guys bring up again and again the left this is oh you can't have a World War 2 game this is a hundred percent historical if it's not a hundred percent then I don't see why we shouldn't have women's cyborgs with red hair crossing the battlefield and fighting the Nazis why not because there is a difference between historical realism and historical authenticity the historical authenticity of a World War two setting as have it is having it appear like a historical setting is having it appear like World War two while still making various concessions for gameplay like it points healing respawns and ammunition it can still be a world war two game simply by looking like a world war 2 game you can't really just hide behind the fact you called your desert map El Alamein yes you can you 100% can as long as it looks like a world war 2 game with World War 2 equipment in a setting that appears to be world war 2 you can call that world war 2 and say but its historical if that were the case you need your PvP to at least represent real historical events no no you don't ah see again it is a scale you need to represent the setting and every time you do something that break with that setting you have to ask yourself whether or not that is a worthwhile sacrifice when it compares to the game because you need to actually have the setting the setting is your selling point World War 2 is the setting adding in you no respawns healing hit points this does not really interfere with that setting because we are all aware that this is a world war 2 first-person shooter and we expect these things particularly in a battlefield game for example however when you randomly add in women cyborgs not only is that not a common thing in battlefield but it also certainly isn't a common thing in world war 2 therefore it breaks the immersion it breaks the setting and the overall design decision of the game and mostly it is harmful overall to the setting this entire ridiculous argument there has to be a hundred percent historical to have a world war two feel is nonsense and be a realistic take on those battles once you make both sides balanced it's also no longer historical and you can't really say that you need Nazis anymore for historical accuracy oh and once you let players get cool weapons that weren't actually at that particular battleground it's also no longer historically accurate and you can't declare that your game will suffer if you don't put players in the jackboots of the Third Reich and once your map is something carefully designed to have good gameplay by a team in a room in San Francisco or LA and it's not a faithful reconstruction of the actual places the historical events occurred in you can no longer say we need to have players take up arms in service of terror or hate yes you can the entire point is utterly moot because it just states a thing oh no no it either has to be a hundred percent historically accurate or all bets are off no limitations at that point you can paint the Germans blue and the Americans red and nothing matters anymore no it's ridiculous the world isn't pure black and pure white there are grades of everything there is a tipping point you could have fuck you could have a World War two setting in a sci-fi universe setting with the Wolfenstein perfect an example Wolfenstein is set in a world war two esque setting where you have the Nazis you have the imagery you have the general inspiration of the era with weapons looking like this doom gear for example with the the panzer hood etc all of these things and of course the Nazi uniforms it draws aesthetical inspiration from the era and therefore calling Wolfenstein a world war 2 s game is entirely correct and yet oddly enough it's not overly historically accurate and look we're not saying we can't have games about world war 2 or about terrorism well now you you literally are you can't simply state this isn't what we're saying because it is what you are saying you are saying you cannot have historical authenticity you must paint the the sides in different colors or make it a training exercise otherwise you can't have it for unspecified reasons and at that point when the Germans are running around in bright blue or they're shooting you know other Germans with paintball rounds in a training exercise then you're not playing a World War 2 game are you we're not even saying we shouldn't make games where you play as a Nazi or a terrorist you'd quite lilly seemed to stay just that when have you okay how actually let's just let him going a bit see if he explains that but what we are saying is that the fact that you're playing as a nazi or a terrorist in a game has to mean something so no you don't actually have a reason for that you're just saying oh we're not saying this despite very clearly saying this okay and it can't just be a skin it can't it absolutely can in fact it is preferable for it to simply just be a skin because then you can focus on making a good game instead of a political statement it can't be something that a game randomly drops you into again you you did choose this once you bought the fucking world war two shooter you actively chose this nay you actively chose to pay for the privilege and really if we are saying anything in this episode it's this games can do better no okay games this is another ridiculous statement games can do better you haven't adequately demonstrated that there is a problem and yet you are suggesting draconian solutions like basically a removing historical authenticity overall making us either play a hundred percent historically accurate game or no game at all a deal has to be 100 percent of the one-way or 100 percent the other way that is absurd only a fossilized moron could possibly think that there is no degrees here that there is no room for variety and again they just said like we haven't actually explained why this is a problem we've simply given you a ridiculous idea a retarded statement and stated this is the issue here are the de Kron Chacon Ian measures we have to implement to fix our invented problems and in this particular case it's not even that hard to do better and it's no more costly to do better I disagree with that judging by the reception of battlefield getting utterly slammed having its trailer slammed over and over again yeah I think there is a very clear price to bowing to this kind of political pressure there is a reason why get woke go broke is such an accurate term all it requires is that we in the game industry be cognizant of the world around us and how about no how would you just make video games and what these symbols were drawing on me that we think as we're building not just about the game we're working on but about the world as a whole if we can do that we can take a big step forward for the industry we can stop helping to normalize Nazis yeah how about you don't okay let me use your very same point the imagery okay Hitler spoke at a podium shit you're a Nazi Hitler had facial hair shit you're a Nazi Hitler used a microphone shit you're a Nazi how about we just stop making these ridiculous comparisons and leaps of logic and just make video games and nobody is asking for this nobody judging by the reception to this video as well your own audience isn't even asking for this this is a problem entirely of your own creation that you are suggesting a ridiculous authoritarian solution to this is lunacy and this is why it's important to talk about this and give push back against this as well at least in my opinion now let me know what you guys think in the comments section I guess but I am very adamant on this forcing politics no matter how apparently clear it is into video games is bad because it has no reason to be there unless your game is very specifically designed to present a political statement which is usually a bad idea due to the inherent freedom all video games then you shouldn't do it just let video games be fun just let them be escapism and we'll all be much much happier for it until next time Ivan arch thank you all very much watching and I hope to see you all again soon have a good day

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