Politics in Games - All Media is Political - Extra Credits

Politics in Games – All Media is Political – Extra Credits



隨著政治分歧在我們的世界 漸漸變得明顯 越來越常看到 在揭示板、論壇及Steam遊戲評論上 許多人在要求遊戲製作人、作家、評論者 不要把政治放到遊戲裡 而這是不可能的
所有的媒體都是政治的 羅伯特·海萊因的自由主義科幻小說 喬治威爾斯寫社會主義 X戰警談人權運動 紅骷髏的故事始於對在戰時圖利的人的批評 還有,美國隊長的故事 因爭論美國加入反法西斯戰爭而生 而當時大部分的人都不想要這麼做 星艦迷航記講述資源不虞匱乏、民主自由的理想鄉 並且,不論成功與否,他試圖呈現一個 種族與性/別並不會侷限你發展的世界 另一方面,最近翻拍的星際大爭霸(Battlestar Galactica) 是一個在911後的寓言故事 關於自由對上安全,在一個 持續認為自己在戰爭中的社會 面對各種看不見卻無所不在的潛在威脅 看吧,我們沒有辦法單純的把政治從媒體中隔離開來 媒體是由人類創造的 人類是由時間及社會創造出來的 因此,無論有意或無意 他們會在各種媒體中 抒發他們的想法 我們對世界的觀察與理解 無可避免的形塑了我們的創作 正是這部分讓我們做出來的成果有人性 讓這些成果活起來 而且,就算我們真的有某種方法 可以把政治與我們的娛樂活動完全切割開來 想想我們會失去多少 許多最優秀的創作 那些留給我們許多想法去思考 去深思那些議題 並讓這些想法持續跟隨我們好幾年 他們討論政治議題 他們討論道德問題 或是描繪了社會應該或不應該長什麼樣子 從「沙丘」到「戰爭遊戲」到「巫師」 到根本數不盡的故事 如果我們說「政治歸政治、藝術歸藝術」 我們將會失去所有這些作品 當然,我們完全可以討論 一個作品應該用什麼方法與政治共存 這絕對是值得辯論的議題 因為這會是一個精巧的平衡 我們甚至可以討論要用什麼方法 來達成這些事情 我們這個節目花了好幾年的時間 在討論遊戲是如何獨特的媒體
特別是他所擁有的 讓視聽者可以探索想法的能力 而不是單純由一個作家或設計家 抒發他們的想法給視聽者 我們談到我們必須如何小心的 讓玩家做出真正的選擇 而不在無意間教玩家如何選擇 那些不是選項的選項 但我們不應隨意地把政治從遊戲中拔除 無論政治在遊戲中扮演什麼角色 我們可以接受政治 這個媒介還只是一個大小孩 我們可以承受稍微有點重的議題 事實上,我們應該要這麼做 不只是因為我們無法把政治從遊戲中拔除 而是因為所有的媒體都是政治的 即使是無意的,媒體形塑了我們的文化 文化形塑了社會 而政治角度就是社會的產物 當我們把槍口及砲口 由納粹政權 轉移到中東臉孔的時候 這些幾乎不會是遊戲設計者 故意安排的政治陳述 而是由於這些遊戲受到了當時的社會文化 及政治文化的改變 更進一步來說,他們強化了這些改變 情報界研究顯示 看了「24小時反恐任務」的美國人 會更加確幸折磨手段能夠有效取得情報 既使證據都顯示恰恰相反 許多警察機關報怨如「CSI犯罪現場」的影集 增加了他們執法的困難度 由於陪審團開始會要求一堆的證據 而這些證據幾乎不可能在現實世界的蒐證工作中取得 這些由媒體形塑的概念 進而影響了我們的政治 更改變了我們的政策及法律 他輕輕的推寬了我們對政治的接受程度 而像是「Papers, Please」或「This War of Mine」這類的遊戲 更是直接將現實世界與現實的政治 套進他們的遊戲機制中 「Cards Against Humanity」這類的遊戲 不只是將我們的政治理解 與設計者的幽默感拿出來衡量,更直接 推出了一整個擴充套組 來支持一個政治候選人 在玩遊戲的過程中,我們能夠理解各種政治哲學 並且將其內化成我們自身觀察世界的方法之一 在大部分的策略遊戲中 正確的勝利之道通常都是 增進科技及增加資源生產 這件事情幾乎會深植在你的腦中 如果你玩夠多的策略遊戲的話 而這樣的思想恰恰表現了 現代的社會及政治觀察 但我們仍常常將其應用到不同的時間點上 例如古羅馬時期,或是百年戰爭時期 而這樣的想法卻不見得是正確的 政治穩定度是一個影響 文明成功與否更重要的因素 比單純科技進步與資源多寡比起來影響更鉅 現在你可以理解我為什麼說我們 沒有辦法把政治從遊戲中移除了吧? 我們沒辦法移除政治 是因為遊戲是由人類所製造的 而人類,即使在他們沒有意識到的情況下 也會受到他們所處的政治環境影響 要注意的是,這不代表我們必須認同創作者 事實上,在所有的民主社會中,我們應該為反對而高興 我們應該歡迎挑起討論的那些火花 而且這不代表我們應該對其減少熱情 我們應該文明的對待每個人 但應該要重視媒體 以及重視媒體想要述說的事情 如果一部作品讓你生氣或難過,這是OK的 我們可以說某部作品的政治概念 很好,我們公開的支持這部作品 或是認為某部作品的政治概念 是不對的,並且公開的反對他 企業甚至可以說 他們因為某部媒體展現某種他們不願支持的慨念 而公開的不支持他 我們作為媒介,絕對足夠成熟 來面對這些事物 我們已經夠成熟到 來探索這些議題 因為,如果遊戲裡沒有政治的話 就沒有「飛彈指揮官」 與其對核武擴散的批評 就沒有「最終幻想7」 及其談論的環保主義 就沒有講述愛國主義的「決勝時刻」系列 或即使是講述政權轉移的正當防衛系列 在遊戲中除去政治的話 我們將會失去太多東西,更重要的事 我們沒辦法把政治從遊戲中去除掉 因為所有的媒體,都是政治的 下週見!

47 thoughts on “Politics in Games – All Media is Political – Extra Credits

  1. Honestly, if you're gonna write political points in video games, then present both sides as best as you can. Even if there's a bias, then at least be fair and open to both or all sides. As a Conservative, I'm more open to hearing a more articulate and open-minded person civilly talk about these issues with me. Then again, I'm more likely to be attacked by some ANTIFA group nowadays just for being as such.

  2. Minecraft, universe sand box, kerbal space progam tell me how those are "political" if all media is political? Then how come those aren't? Becasue people havn't made them political but when you take something like football a game and you add politics to it that makes it political. games can have messages about politics but not every game have a political message.

  3. I agree, that politics are a center part of media, but it's not that politics are bad. However it's people who insert and handfist their own personal politics who people complain about. Also people who scream about the other side being exclusively evil and not an opposing side that can be understood.

  4. Hey so I believe you're onto something, but I think your phrasing makes you incorrect.

    I would agree that most or many many peices of media have a political message. That there is nothing wrong with a political message.

    But the moment you say all media, you become incorrect. I would only need to find one example in order to demonstrate you to be wrong, because you said it applies in all cases.

    Here's my challenge. When a game has no purpose, whats the political message.

    So take minecraft, alpha version, when there was no ending, what's the political message.

    Take the game of life. How can this argue anything when it barely constitutes a game.

    Take chess, checkers, tic tac toe, snake.

    Your position must cover everything. Therefore I can customize a game and create something just to break your argument. Which makes it weaker.

    It would be nice if you opened up the possibility of a game having a message that has nothing to do with politics. Which I believe is absolutely possible, but your position prohibits it.

    Imagine a game thats deeply metaphorical. You are in a dark room. There's a door to another. You enter the other room. The light turns on in the first and goes out in the room you just entered. Clearly the message is that the grass is greener on the other side. This not nesseciarily a political message. But you could construct a whole argument that this advocates conservatism. That doesn't mean that it is the message of the work. It means you have an interpretation. Your interpretation is simply one reading of the message of the work.

    Just as you can interpret political messages, you can interpret an apolitical message.

    It would be nice if your position acknowledged that. It would be nice if your position was a little more nuanced.

  5. That's the first time that I realized that the name "Just Cause" also means a cause that's just, and is not purely a response to "why did you strap a rocket to a cow?"

  6. >war,economics, and other obviously political stuff in games
    Gamers:…..
    >women and minorities existing
    Gamers:kEeP PoLiTiCs OUt Of mY gAmEs

  7. the idea that all media is political is a foolish one. There are plenty of franchises that aren't political. That don't have politics in them. Many of the best games do NOT have politics in them. Most of the best ones go above politics and use meta narratives instead of politics. Zelda has no politics, it's the standard light versus dark, there's no political message in there unless you choose to force it in. Mario, save the princess. Not political, unless you choose to force it. Okami, literal forces of creation fighting. Tetris. There isn't anything there to be political about. To claim entertainment is political is to discredit entertainment and to whitewash politics or overexpand it's reach. Doom, again, no politics, it was a meta narrative about human failings leading to a demon invasion. there are so many amazing games that aren't political in the slightest. Please, don't make such a political statement. I respect you, but another thing like this, and i'll have to reconsider that.

  8. I think people who want “politics out of games” generally just want:

    A) not to be hit over the head with the dev’s politics. Refer back to your own “Propaganda Games” episodes.

    B) not to be ripped out of the experience by something that wildly diverges from the narrative, because the dev felt like making a statement. Oh hai Battlefield .

    C) not to feel personally attacked. For the love of Arceus, games are not Hollywood. People really hate the perceived disdain for “the deplorables in flyover country” from TV and movies. Games as a medium don’t have nearly the seniority to get the benefit of the doubt, and have had to grow up in the era of internet-fueled controversy and hot takes. Witness the blowup over Far Cry 5 for an example.

  9. No games (and also other media) is actually non-political. Swedish and Finnish games (like Stellaris, Cities Skylines) tend to be more emphasis on social security and egalitarian factors while American games tend to more emphasis on libertarian factors even they are built on most lefty states (like California) in the US.

    And Japanese games? they are almost authoritarian in the means of gameplay while South Korean ones are much less authoritarian than Japanese counterparts while they are aesthetically similar (Think about Korean MMOs visually affected by anime and manga and FPSs visually affected by Japanese Movie-like games like MGS)

    Even if they do not include direct political measure, they are already have politics. Very example is Tropico, which first installment of game is developed in the US feels different by third to fifth installment which developed by Bulgarian.

  10. You say politics but isn't it really just pop culture? Am I ganna create the Doge Party? When I think politics I think president, scandals, and the 2 party system. Not what you said. I respect the idea but it may not be right

  11. Ten things I doubt I'll ever see:
    1-Bigfoot. (The furry dude, not the truck.)
    2-A unicorn.
    3-Real life Smurfs..
    4-Monsters that don't look human.
    5-The inside of Area 51.
    6-An apology letter from Bill Maher to the estate of Stan Lee.
    7-The Simpsons getting cancelled.
    8-A non-rural town without at least one McDonald's burger place.
    9-A green moon.
    10-A politician with nothing against video games.

  12. I think that if a politician, be it President, Congressman, or even Mayor of Podunk, criticizes video games, s/he should play some, first. Then, and only then, s/he will have an idea what the hell it is s/he's crying about. In fact, it should be Federal law.

  13. The trick is that we must be able to learn. This applies to both parties: gamers must be able to accurately think about the ideas they are presented and use the knowledge gained to challenge their own ideas, and the companies need to provide an accurate, strong, and realistic representation of their ideologies. If a company will only target right or left wing ideas, then it must put forth every effort to complement them on what they do agree with, as well. The trick isn't removing politics; the trick is making politics less stupidly and needlessly divisive.

  14. Politics in games, I'm ok with. If the message is something blatantly horrible or something too ham-handed, people can decide not to play it or, at least, ignore the message. And not only that, but there are some genuinely good works that are capable of expressing opinions that the reader, viewer or player may not even have to agree with. Ones that at least have you consider the ideas and, if you find them lacking, consider why.

    What I am not okay with is claiming that everything is political. This is an idea that comes from painfully generalizing what the term "political" means, and ultimately comes with the implication that something as basic as pac-man or pong is in some way political.

    There is a line between expressing ideas and expressing political ideas. And I absolutely despise when people pretend it doesn't exist. It is equivalent to saying "let me force my opinion on you because no matter where you go, somebody is forcing it on you anyways." And it is only going to cause people who have radical ideas to believe they need to "remain vigilant" and shove their politics into everything to combat the politics they're certain their opponents are shoving into everything.

    I live with people like this. I've seen people doing this for months on political youtube channels. This is not some hypothetical thing I'm saying because "makes sense to me", I'm watching this go down in real time.

    We live in a world where people are calling for their political opponents to be hanged. Do not add fuel to the fire. It'll only turn this from a semi-fringe issue into a mainstream one.

  15. I have to say that games Should tackle politics and make it useful for the game
    But it shouldn't be inveloped and consumed by politics
    Ex BFV and you how that ended

  16. "Oh did I mention there's literally gold everywhere?" – Christopher Collumbus. "Gold? Did you say Gold? OOOOOOOOHHHH!!" – King of spain

  17. Just because all media CAN be political doesn't mean it IS though. A portrait of a cat with her kittens doesn't have to be a statement about motherhood. Maybe the artist is paying tribute to a beloved pet that passed away? Maybe they just like to draw kittens?
    And a grimdark dystopian novel about people who live in sewers doesn't have to be a statement on class inequality, maybe the writer is just a weirdo who got inspired after watching a documentary on sewer rats. Sure some of his biases may subconsciously make it in there, but that's not the same as a political product. Why can't artists just have fun anymore?

  18. BTW china (by which I mean the govt. ) put out a browser game where the player tortures corrupt officials and criminals

  19. Obviously we can't get rid of all politics i games. Nobody is saying that it all should get removed. People only have an issue with it if it forces the developer's opinions down the player's throats, this video achieved nothing that we didn't already know

  20. George Lucas's Star Wars always showed and made ethical and political points throughout his entire saga. There was Slavery, Gambling, Gang Warfare, Corporate Greed, Resource Fights, Toxic Politicians, Automation, Privatization, Dictatorships, Rebellions, and the overall sence that War is Horrible. However they didn't simply shoehorned them in and focused on them for scenes on end, they would take breaks from the scene and focus on other plots that were going on as well to keep the pacing active and on a stedy corse. They had politics back then and they used and presented them correctly.
    Ryan Johnson in The Last Jedi on the other hand gave us Canto Bight. Over half an hour of Slavery, Corporate Greed which both we're already covered in the original saga, and Animal Abuse. Unfortunately they shoehorned them in, and their exposition or commentary of those subjects and ethics were so superficial and obvious, it made the majority of audience feel like they were being Babied. On top of it, the political subplot went on way to long and in the end they didn't follow through with them, so it pointlessly brought the pacing of the film to an utter halt. Casual viewers felt bored or stupid while the smartest Cringed, and as 3PO once said in Attack of the Clones "This is such a Drag."
    So you see when people say they don't want politics in there art, I think what they really mean is they don't want there art or entertainment to morph onto hold you're hand, law school education and for it to slow down the pacing of the fun in the entertainment. They'll only exept such massages or advice in there art if it treats them smartly and doesn't distracts them and detracts from there overall enjoyment. You see it is okay to have or make political points in you're art, you just have to think carefully about how you want to express you're opinions or messages and implement them correctly. 20th Century Fox and George used politics in Star War wisely, universally, and creatively. While Disney and these new directors use theirs bizarrely, closemindedly, and poorly.

  21. So basically instead of making great story and art devs need to focus on trying to not trigger some eggshells online.

  22. Interesting. Although, i would differ on that statement as a generalization. All media is not political but rather cultural. There is an indirect relationship there in politics. There are works of fiction that do not address politics or laws directly but rather cultural aspects which indirectly influence political aspects. (Works like Utena (anime) and KH (game) are good examples of this). If you put that way, then, yes, all media is cultural, therefore political if the situation so requires it. It is inherent.

  23. I see all these stupid Youtube comments saying that we should avoid having games with politics. It's just awful.

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