Saturday Night Politics with Donny Deutsch 7/13/19 FULL | MSNBC News Today July 13, 2019

Saturday Night Politics with Donny Deutsch 7/13/19 FULL | MSNBC News Today July 13, 2019



good evening I'm Donny Deutsch and I am thrilled to be here there are four hundred seventy nine days until the 2020 prisoners election and tonight when they break down the week's top stories and see down how they're strategically shaping the battle for White House there is lots to cover and this is Shanghai politics we've got a spectacular group with us tonight a super spectacular group but before I introduce them as a tip of the hat to my former friend Donald Trump key word here's former we have built him a wall yes it's a say politics wall think of it as another guest announcer roadmap to wrap up the week's top stories including Trump the favorite well I think Democrats should be terrified about his chances for reelection and by by a cost of the president loses another cabinet member but will that end Trump's epstein problem plus race away from race why the Democrats should cease fire when Obama called the circular firing squad and stunt Trump's stunts yes I said that when will Democrats in the media stop taking Trump's red meat bait joining me tonight this super panel Emily Jane Fox who we've always known as the super millennial obviously scene reporter Vanity Fair a lot they're born Trump thrilled to have you back here you become a regular on the show by popular demand we I've a newbie my good friend any cloud treat from morning Joe Eddie it's been a long time you're the only new member tonight you of course the chairman Center for african-american studies of principle you University and animus embassy contributor and one of my favorite guys around choreography are you're coming back chief public affairs officer and moveon.org and MSNBC contributor and Heidi Prez Bella who is a big-time NS NBC political analyst contributor head honcho and you were mocking me before we got going as I said I want these chairs to be white and you'll go Donny no you were that's really weird okay guys Trump the favorite hey Democrats be afraid so good our unemployment numbers are at record lows you know so many good things are happening all right I I didn't want to start the show on a downer and if you watch this network most of the time we see all these wonderful polls about how the Democrats are winning and they're they're beating him every state no this one's up by six points and I say that the moody economic poll remarks and the chief economist of Moody's Analytics who basically says Trump will win all 12 points in that poll you've got the GDP measured against inflation poll which shows Trump Witney you've got the goldman sachs model that shows him winning you've got the 13 key factors you model and you my moxie and the chief economist of Moody's Analytics león poll which shows Trump winning even got the Goldman Sachs model that shows him winning you've got the 13 key factors model and you've got the sportsbooks in Vegas all the money polls Analects point to Trump so that's number one number two my reason is if you look historically there have been two incumbents they've lost since Roosevelt and that's George Bush Senior and that was Jimmy Carter and your two presents with tanking economies who had no passionate base and we're running against transformational candidates and this is none of the issues with Trump and the third reason I am frightened this guy will use the power of the presidency like no other president before him to get reelected whether it's starting a war wherever your mind can take you he will do so I put that role up and I say Emily Democrats be where am I just too negative Donny no I think you're a hundred percent right I've been thinking about this and talking about this I spent the last week people who are outside of politics and everyone's saying to me there's no way Trump can win reelect and I keep saying to them this guy's there's this guy's winning and some unless something bad happens to the economy he's getting reelected I think the the polls you cited are interesting and following the money is important there but we also have to follow the money that Trump has raised in his reelect he's raising staggering amount so far for his reelection campaign everyone why I've talked to who is working on the campaign who is close with the president and I said look at how much money we raised and that is just from our base we haven't even gone towards the bush people and we think we're going to bring in that money so if we're talking about following the money let's look at how much his campaign is bringing in and it's a staggering amount and I think that that's what we need to keep paying not only to use their money there's never been a more singular voice for a party ever talk about economies of scale of voice versus look any party trying to unseat you've got the nipping each other but particularly after the first debate and particularly on the race issue were going to talk about later I think Democrats already shooting themselves in the foot so I'm going to push back a little bit I think it was right to say that Democrats ought not to be overconfident but I think one thing that we I'm saying a lot worse than I know because I'm scared stiff but I'm always worried about fear as a motivation for political in making I want us to be substantive because we're in a moment of crisis is an inflection point so we just can't act out of fear we need to act we're gonna talk about fear as attack that I'm just saying what costs them in 2016 we're a lot of people out so I frankly I'm not cheerleading I'm looking into facts but at the same time if I get some people going I have no problem right so so so I want to say that you're right in saying to Democrats don't don't think that this game is already over it's very important but I also think we need to look at what happened in 2018 in the midterms and what we saw were numbers that were really interested we saw a turn out that if is that presidential levels during the midterm we saw black voters turning out and President Obama numbers and surpassing those numbers in certain places we saw young people Millennials and the folks after them origin Xers I don't know what that just called me on be right so all of the fundamentals that have informed how we think about the American electorate right how we project and predict right I think will be up ended right in in 2020 so part of what I'm saying is that you're right that Democrats shouldn't think that this is over but part of what we I think we should include in our calculus is that the electorate is expanding yeah an interesting source of ways and if the electorate expands Donald Trump cannot not mean you know it's interesting I think the 8:18 is a little bit of a head-fake in that I think there are a lot of voters that voted congressionally for the Democrats let's put a bumper in for Trump let's put some guardrails but I still might want him in office and it might be different when it's a question of him and I it was a little bit's very different when you're voting I think there look you've got Trump's to 37% they want on but there's seven or eight or eight percent out there quietly I still want him in there but let's put some gone rails around yeah that's that's probably a good argument probably but what troop really he he he took on 2018 he made it all about himself and it was a referendum on him right he doubled down on immigration talked about caravan I mean it was a big thing like he went across the country and really did these these big rallies for folks look I teach campaign management at Columbia University and I tell my students all the time everything what you just said when it's but incumbent is always the favorite period right and you make a really good point he raised a hundred and five million dollars in this last past winter so he will have a real operation so yes we have to be there is a fear that we need to have but we cannot use that as a strategy but we need to wake up and realize this is going to be a real election he got to Tuesday it's all about 270 and he got it there he got there last time lost a popular vote he could do it again Heidi question on the hill right now if you were gonna line 10 Dems up and you got them quietly with a bourbon how many we right now would you say honestly I mean at least 5 yeah I mean I think it's a 50/50 shoot now and the reason why is because tier point cretin this is a 270 strategy and I feel already in some of the commentary and in some of the discussions that I've seen around Capitol Hill in Washington just in general a bit of an overconfidence looking at national polls that show look at all of these Democrats who could beat Donald Trump yeah when we all know that it's going to come down to three or four states and we're starting to get pulling in now that drills down on those three or four states Wisconsin Michigan Pennsylvania and in three of them there's only one candidate right now who could beat Donald Trump and that's Joe Biden and he has yet to go through the rigmarole of real caffeine and the bloodying of a full primary race and so yeah okay let's move on okay the big five the latest NBC Wall Street Journal poll shows a Democrat president candidate field pairing down to a very clear top five and that's a good thing Eddie I was throwing popcorn and gummy bears and frost the O's that was when I was a kid we threw at the TV particularly the first debate and and a lot of part of second baby watching people that I was saying they shouldn't be up there and they're taking time away from the people we know are contenders and a good thing is happening that it's really getting clear who that top five is but I think it's a good thing in in the way which the process is playing itself out the one thing the DNC cannot be seen as doing is putting his thumb on the scale so it seems to me that we need we needed to have embarrassment of riches we need because we've been complaining for eight years over the the emptiness of our bench now we see that it's really strong it's really vibrant and as the campaign gets the primary continues to move on it's going to naturally weed out so I think as we move to the second one and a third one we're gonna see fewer and fewer people so I think this is a good thing yeah and the base doesn't want a coronation the base does not want a coronation so everyone has to go through the process and like you said by the third debate we're gonna a lot of these people are gonna be gone yeah Heidi if I had a handicap right now I keep going like I actually think that it's gonna come down to I think Bernie and Elizabeth very quickly to cancel themselves in favor of Elizabeth I mean she is the new birdies for clear the ones that's going and I obviously think bootie judge is gonna be around for a while he raised 25 million bucks and he's just an interesting guy I don't know if he's gonna push it over the line but he along with obviously Cremona and Biden he's gonna be standing for a long time he'll be standing for a long time but I think the fact that he struggles so mightily with the african-american vote is really a death no for him being at the top of any ticket in terms of Elizabeth Warren and Bernie she's clearly now for the first time distinctively eclipsing Bernie in our NBC Wall Street Journal poll and so Bernie is in this for the long haul he's gonna still command a large chunk and so therefore that progressive vote that if it consolidated could really pose a threat to Joe Biden I think is gonna stay fractured and we might not see much movement as long as Joe Biden pulls out a strong performance in the next couple of debates if he doesn't then I think we see another scrambling look when you look at the polls it's very very simple the NBC poll basically says that Biden no surprise getting older people getting african-americans you get them you're going to win the question is how can he start to pull some of those younger voters who are all Bernie all this bit well the problem with Joe Biden is that he is an old dog and he struggling to learn new tricks and he's someone who is unapologetically himself which is a good thing it's something that I think authenticity matters in politics and it shouldn't matter for who we want to lead our nation and who we want to head our government but when you're authentically a version of a human being that does not feel like 2019 that is a problem and Joe Biden to me it does not feel like a candidate for 2019 so I think it'll be interesting to watch if he's able to evolve if he's able to listen to this progressive wing of a Democratic Party who was so fired up and energized or if he stays the old Joe that we are get could still work for by him his comfort food yes he's certainly not exciting he's certainly not new and shiny but maybe after this crazy new and ugly shiny we had a little kind of look at the rest of the people who are in this top five though none of them are comforted yeah so if that is the direction that people want to go in there's only one candidate for you that is Joe Biden but the fact that the other four are kind of the opposite of comfort food may tell you that that's not what people's appetite is working towards and Doni I think we're still in a change election cycle thank you agree so what produced Barack Obama what produced Donald Trump it was deep beyond the the the insidious racism and the greed and selfishness about certain folks was a deep criticism of what's happening in Washington DC a deep dissatisfaction of what's happening at the kitchen table yeah that hasn't been resolved and so the fact that we're still in a change election cycle right means that if Joe Biden is viewed as a backward-looking candidate as someone who is in his house shall we say a figure of old it's very difficult for him to break through there's someone who's if I'm gonna handicap going for the next which I think come on common was gonna still keep rising horizon yeah I really think that she's a powerhouse and screws just to watch okay bye-bye Acosta Trump's Labor Secretary steps down amid controversy over his handling of the Jeffrey Epstein plea deal is this the end of trumps epstein problem is a person that I've gotten to know there hasn't been an ounce of controversy at the Department of Labor until this came up and he's doing this not for himself he's doing this for the administration and Alex I think you'll agree I said you don't have to do this he doesn't have to do it no he does have to do this in reality Emily you did a piece of a few days ago man affair where you talked about a meeting at Trump Tower between David pecker and Donald Trump and Michael cone about a article it was coming out about Epstein just bring us up to speed on that and then how do you want to get from you what's going on the hill as far as this like this story was like 2019 bingo it had every character that we talked about so so my reporting was that in 2015 it was it was right before Trump had decided to actually run for president and see David pecker came to visit as he sometimes did he brought with him a copy of an issue that had Prince Andrew on it and talking about Prince Andrew's alleged dalliance –is with Epstein and women he had allegedly hired and Trump was in the meeting with pecker and Michael Cohen he called Sam number to his office after David pecker had left and they had this whole conversation about what David pecker knew do what Jeffrey Epstein possibly had on other powerful men and it just goes to show you that this is a man who Donald Trump was very familiar with he was very interested in and I think we are just at the very tippy top of an iceberg about this Epstein story about the relationship with Trump and what I keep thinking about is there's so many stories written and the president said again on Friday you know I've had a falling out with him yeah I don't care about the falling out how did he fall in with him yeah forward to the point in his 2002 article you are back soon we've been friends for 15 years he's a great guy like me he loves women he likes young but I mean talking about pukin where you hear that and then he said he had the falling-out afterward so to your point in look this is the beginning of a gigantic iceberg and there's another president that is going to have to we're not going to say what's up but certainly there's gonna be a lot of digging going on there and a lot of other powerful men and it this could be the story of the decade Heidi Mulvaney wanted him out obviously so you knew this was happening by by the end of this weekend I was told by sources that it would probably happen by the end of the weekend this was a good excuse for Mulvaney who had wanted him out all along for completely different reasons but that said I think it's giving too much credit to say that it was out allmovie I think Donald Trump put him up to giving that news conference he wanted to see take the temperature how it was gonna play well guess what it did not clear up by a long shot all of the questions that surround Acosta and in this epstein matter you know Congress was getting ready to hold hearings they probably still will call Acosta to hold hearings you've got an investigation by the Department of Justice that now members of Congress by the way that's been going on since February and Congress hasn't gotten any updates about what has been found there you've got Belle bar again looming over all of this and making it just makes you a Lauren fuzzy right information American people are going to get all right guys talk about the fact that all this was known during his confirmation hearing this isn't something that just popped up into the president said today we've known about this for years they confirmed – anyway and this is not something that was just a surprise to the Trump only one number asked about it Tim Kaine yeah exactly the world's gonna get shattered okay up next I'm gonna say this right stunt Trump's stunts he's a master distraction he's a master of distraction Democrats just can't help themselves I've got a playbook for the Democrats and the media to stop chomping on the red meat bait plus my message of Democrats in 2020 it's the woman's stupid white romper the Republicans are giving Democrats a clear gender path to the White House also there's this how they're interpreting and carrying it to another place is up to them but I'm not going to be discussing it any further Nancy versus squad a new wave of freshman Democrat says the speaker isn't being nice to them and guess what they're right I kind of don't blame her don't go anyway welcome back to the big show of Donny Deutsch from here with Eddie Cretan and Heidi and joining us one of my face marry gay remember to the New York Times editorial board and MSNBC cute truth ank for coming back thanks perhaps for a second time Eddie is your first time we're 20 minutes to show how we could do it I'm having a ball blows warning go away doesn't absolutely thank you Joe if you're watching at home just deal with it race away from race POTUS is disgustingly use race to ignite his base and where the Devens doing leading up to 2020 using race to divide their own base smart really smart married let me start with you and obvious we've got to go through this process the irony the sickening irony that we have a president that got heinous ly elected by doing angry low thing by creating the other whether it was Mexican race history or Muslim bland Charlotte's flora birth though we don't have to go through disgusting litany and the Democrats are just ripping themselves apart and let me let me on both sides what I'm worried about it's gonna happen now to Kamala is they gonna start with oh you were too tough on African Americans its prosecuted the same way they wouldn't have to Biden for busing fifty years ago and even at a time ninety percent of African Americans wanted it 80% of the country didn't want it and Biden was always a guy about integration his argument should have been at least at the debate I didn't think that was the right tactic there are other ways to do it but is there a better way to tackle these issues without shooting ourselves so we do have real issues to talk about in this country about race and we should not shy away from talking about them I think the problem and this is not a partisan issue this is an American issue the problem is that Americans don't know how to talk about race we're told not to talk about it instead of how to talk about it and so I think people get very defensive especially white Americans but I think there's also a historical context that gets lost and there's nothing wrong if you're Joe Biden with saying listen it was a different time and I would do things differently my views have changed I've learned something but he hasn't really taken ownership over that Kamala Harris has real questions to answer about her prosecutorial record you think about the Jeffrey Epstein case that we're all talking about this week and I can't help but think about the kylief Browder case and all the cases of young african-american men in black and and Hispanic men who've been put in prison children really for you know petty marijuana possession so those are actually real and legitimate issues the problem is that we get into this kind of tit-for-tat over calling one another race in the race card nobody knows how to I guess that's the point right green I guess it was interesting the way collistar well I know you're not a racist you have common you have Joe two great Americans who you know in their cores wanna do you just know it they want to do the right thing one comes from old-school and it's got a 50-year record she comes prosecutor her background so there's gonna be some baggage there but I just think we're up against such a beast in Trump and such a monster that is there I would love us to figure out like how do we tackle these without just ripping each other part was interesting I was I was talking to an elderly white woman and she said you know I will never forgive that comma for the way she went after Joe because it wasn't fair I mean which is ridiculous to say but you have people lensing it that way and we're going to turn off white borders and we're going to turn off black floors and we need both yeah I really agree with Mara on this one we have to have a conversation and I think that's a given would help you establish directly something they were now you're the debates are oh my goodness the debate comes out real stuff you're working back from yeah we cannot we have to go through this process yeah but we can't be so much collateral damage great because we just need every vote so what's what's the if you got both in a room he said guys let's test it this way I think we're talking about two different things I think what we saw a couple weeks ago ons on stage with Carla Harris and Joe Biden it was it was a debate thing rights of a debate tactic we're talking about Joe Biden's record remember at that that whole busing thing was around for three weeks right and he never dealt with it he didn't handle it so there too there is a conversation about race that we should be having but that what we saw is not the same it wasn't an actual conversation about race it was a debate this is what this was 18 million people watched it was an opportunity for the folks to get out there to introduce themselves and calmly Harris use it as not too many to prosecute her case if you will but it was on Joe Biden as well right he never dealt with it so she she used it for herself to really make a point and he didn't do a good job he was unprepared so that was Adam that was just a debate you're saying you know what this was on if this would not have calmed the three weeks story had Biden bit more nimble it would be restoring would be an issue and he there's a whole different real conversation about race that we should be having you know I'm just a reporter but no takeover your producers like this kind of stuff we gotta figure out when when does the Democratic Party start to point out that the way that Donald Trump has used race is to divide the working class and that we can have a conversation about the disparities along racial lines when it comes to income inequality I've looked at recent numbers about the earnings differences between black women and white women these are all critically important things that we have to discuss but at the end of the day when you are talking to the working-class regardless of color you the working-class have so much more in common than you do with Donald Trump and with a lot of his Republican donors who helped put him there I don't hear anybody kind of framing it like that because the reason why Donald Trump is able to maintain his coalition is because the working class is divided along racial lines and many of Donald Trump's coalition are voting against their economic interests I don't hear it being framed that way we first go out what we can tell a long story about how that has happened we can go back to the boys is classic 1935 black reconstruct as he's talking about you know white Southerners and white planters and then white sharecroppers and black slaves and the way there's a long story of how that working-class folk and black working class woke up think about it but I want to talk about it in this way approach it from this angle for eight years African Americans many African Americans found themselves in some ways looting the interest of their communities in the midst of an extraordinary economic collapse because we wanted to protect the levee eight years you talk which a mob to the left flank of President Obama because if we knew that if bringing too much of critique to bear on him it would open him up to a kind of racist critique that was circulating in the country but what I think came out of those eight years the power that black the black electorate understood had we know that this election that the nomination goes to us that goes to particularly black women so what I'm so the way in which we're engaging politics right there's not so much to new issues that confront black communities but you have to speak to the particulars that inform and shape the lives of folks who are who are black and black communities are so how do you do that knowing okay we're moving chess pieces around I got to do that if I don't have that base in a land yet some of those suburban white voters that move those forty seats in Congress and the suburbs of Philadelphia and the suburbs of we got to get that but there is no silver bullet but we're seeing if the debates in front of us just all of a sudden so let me say you want to look really quickly one thing that we have to do is we have to begin to talk about the dignity of work mm-hmm we have to begin to talk about these issues that aren't they don't they don't have white issues or black issues in any particular sort of ways when we talk about questions of justice it touches every every one of us but the one thing we can't do Donnie the one thing that we have to stop doing is allowing racist to be racist whether they're loud or not so when you tell me that when we talk about race explicitly that the white person in the suburbs is going to recoil and feel that they can retreat into stuff that something about that it's not Eric well it's just not talking directly to them because we're not doing it because we're not making it about to you I think with Donnie saying interpreter here is that calling people or implying that people like Joe Biden as a racist is not helpful to the conversation yeah I would say I would say that the enemy needs to be racism and the history traces and Donald Trump and it's not to say that you can't hold people accountable for deploying racism as the president has done you can and we must but the enemy is not one another and I think that people feel defensive white Americans feel defensive because they feel like they can't win and I know buddy knows how to have this conversation and there are productive ways to have it the problem is that we have this elephant in the room the president United States not interested in our interests you know we have to echo morrow we have to make a distinction between talking about racism and calling people racists but we also cannot conceive to the claim that to talk about racism is somehow to trigger racist correct so yeah as long as we concede that which means you have to mute it correct then what we're doing is we're buying it I get Korean final word but that's the point the sick a night roll this side all this yeah we are we're all they want is trip me you know because I'm sorry we're up there for Louisa withers book we want to get there and we're going to stumble this yeah and I think look we have a president that gaslights us all the time that is is I think is a racist and has racist policies and we do need to talk about that and that's why I think we're in this space that we're in because we can't get we we're constantly going into a rabbit hole following him and we're we have to get out of that we have to really talk above that but also call him out that's the thing you cannot walk away from not having that conversation as well we just can't go down that rabbit hole with him never fine work I mean I would just say that racism is a shared American inheritance we all inherited it we all have some complicity and responsibility in it and week we can overcome it if we address it if we ignore it that's how you get Donald Trump I'll tell you one personal positive thing and I obviously I live in New York City and my daughter's my two little daughters they truly are colorblind they just an agenda blimey whether it's a whether it's a gay kid a straight kid or black it like they just see the world differently we're still a generation away all right straight ahead a fight within the clock is Kelly on Conway called it a catfight Nancy Pelosi's versus the squad no to Kelly little politically correct but the fact is that welcome back to Senate politics what we also call SNP let's get back to the wall women women women assaults on roe v wade ripping children from parents the border or president of the least 19 sexual assault accusations are old pedophile pal well of the Dems realize in 2020 it's the woman's stupid Emily if roe v– wade being on the table does not light a fire under women I don't know what will I don't know will you put together that with ripping babies from parents at the born you put together with the sexual assault what is a woman's explanation as a woman if you talk to a female Trump voter is it just I don't care he makes these good for the economy what I don't notice it at this point how a woman has a Trump defense I don't know that you can defend the President on any of the issues that you just talked about whether it's so if you're not defending what you say that's not the deciding issue that they're casting their vote on that's what the thing is they're they have already made peace with those things they can be great on the table I mean there are a lot of Republican women conservative women who don't support a woman's right to choose like they are prone pro-life well 60 percent today more than ever sure but there's 40 percent of the people in the country for support president Trump so the numbers are there I think that a lot of people in this country are not voting on moral issues they're voting on pocketbook issues and I think that that is how someone who supports the president could explain away and then I guess Heidi it is there a button is there a mama button for lack of a better word and is it my selling like dumb man is there something that makes an exception to that rule Emily that it's not always the economy stupid that obviously it can't be so drastic but that a woman you appeal to a woman's core maternal essence I'm funny as a market if I was sitting and probing you guys as a reason or therefore women on the path yeah yeah how do I get how do I hit that nerve or to Emily's point the nerves I think the nerves been hit and the nerve was hit the day of the 2016 election and that days after that women around the country began to organize one of the biggest marches in the history of this country on Washington and you don't necessarily need to bring over those conservative women who may just feel much more culturally aligned with Republicans because of a host of other issues even if they're pro-life what you need is to really motivate the base there there's simply more Democratic voters and there are Republican voters and on this issue of Roe because these laws are so so draconian not allowing exceptions for rape and incest for instance and whether they come to the Supreme Court or not just their existence is getting so much coverage I do think that that's gonna be a big motivating that's why that's why I wouldn't want to talk about fear as a tactic later you know I would do this dystopian thing start to paint a picture like yeah what's the you know yeah anything for ya but we're already seeing that movement right you started with the woman's the woman's March had happened the first month of his you know of his presidency January 2017 literally right after his inauguration message you know I don't want to talk about the marches I wanna help me find that nerve message I think it starts with obviously Rho V wave but what I'm trying to get to that nerve yeah but I think what I'm what I'm saying is I think you see that energy there already has someone who works with an organization that has five more than five million people and we do these protests right we connect with our members we're seeing that energy and it went through with Kavanaugh right Kavanagh was like the last big thing that happened going back to babies and cages that was after the zero two so those words scream babies babies and cages as a market I don't know what else did let me just think it is really really quickly when that zero tolerance policy happened and it tore families apart that is when we saw a dip in Donald Trump's polling numbers with women and independents were already leaving him and that was a key so I think women are there and you're right we have a bigger base Democrats and we just have to continue to energize them in Maryland we start the next session against okay Nancy and that's verse the squad Nancy Pelosi has unabashedly drawn the battle lines with the four outspoken freshmen Congress women Cortes to lead President Omar known as the squad smart rule for the speaker asked Don es Mara no I you know listen I actually think it's in the best interest of Speaker Pelosi and Alexandria Ocasio Cortes and the other three new freshmen members to really come together and have a beer summit of some kind and let's put this behind them so possible if you're absolutely there's way more in common than the things that separate them and I think that you know Nancy Pelosi needs them they need her this is silly they should put this to bed and they should I think I would love to see both be more careful and frankly respectful of the voters I mean to my mind I'm much interested in the politics of the tit-for-tat back and forth between them as individuals but I'm I'm more interested in seeing some respect for Nancy Pelosi's leadership but also some respect from frankly Nancy Pelosi for the voters that those those freshmen Democrats support and and that would be the smart thing given the fact that the base needs to be motivated we're gonna take a quick break here up next Trump Boyd rode a wave of fear straight into the White House so why can't Democrats do the same we'll talk about the politics of fear fighting fear next don't go anywhere we respect the value of every member of our caucus the diversity of it all is a wonderful thing diversity is our strength Speaker Nancy Pelosi is shifting to nice talk after a couple of weeks of increasing ugliness between herself and her Democratic moderates and the four star progressive freshmen who have come to be known as the squad Pelosi last week seemed to dismiss the group which consists of Alexandria Custer Cortes of New York Mellon Omar of Minnesota Rasheeda Talib of Michigan and Ayanna Presley of Massachusetts it's a particularly target Ocasio cortez when she told New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd and writing off their votes against the Senate driven border funding bill last month quote all these people have is their public whatever and their Twitter world but they didn't have any following therefore people and that's how many votes they got palacio de cortes shot back calling Pelosi's comments outright disrespectful and saying Pelosi was singling out newly elected women of color and it's a pretty much gone downhill from there le monde style is back with me and join the conversation Julianne Malveaux an economist and author former Democratic congresswoman from Maryland Donna Edwards is joining as well I'm gonna go to you on this first you wrote a piece that was very interesting you talked about the fact that these two sides need each other you have these star freshmen and they're not the only star freshmen but they're like before they get a lot of attention so they get a lot of attention which probably annoys other members of Congress to be blind and then they're standing out and going their own way on issues and on bills they went their own way on the House bill the four of them voted against the House version of this water funding bill and then 95 Democrats actually voted against the Senate funding nope it didn't do what they were told is there a sense that that is the problem that they're just not obeying and that that is what a noise house leadership no I don't think it's that really I mean the speaker policy always says vote your conscience and I think that we should hold her to her word I think part of what's going on here is one you have some generational issues but you also have a circumstance where you've got these you know women who have risen to power they came from the outside some of them beating like well-liked incumbents I know I've been there and I think that that is causing some friction both within the caucus and outside but look the bottom line is they do need each other we talk about the outside inside speaker the speaker has the lock down on the inside shit's got to get votes it's gotta pass legislation but we also need the energy and the activism that are represented by the squad and so we can't isolate them they're not a nuisance they need each other and they've got to figure out a way to work this out and frankly the speaker holds the gavel and so I think it's in her hands to get control of this and you know what get all of their staff off of Twitter not speaking for them they're gonna start doing mama jokes at each other it's ridiculous now they're having like Twitter fights anonymous please saying you know no one's scared these of these nerds really want to go to you on this of me this is silly at this point but there was a line in what speaker Pelosi said that I found particularly interesting because it kind of goes to the which is the more important part of the base of the important part of America is it sort of rural Midwestern America that's America or is it urban America which is the larger part when she said they only have four votes that's all they represent now this one you Ocasio Cortes district is 691 thousand people on all Mars district is 721 thousand plus people Sian Apress Li represents eight hundred and six thousand plus people Rasheed Italy represents six hundred and seventy four thousand people that is two point eight nine four one seven nine million people nearly three million people each one of them represents more people in just their district in the entire state of Wyoming the entire state of Vermont the entire state of Alaska the entire state of North Dakota South Dakota is about equal it as an entire state to Ayanna presley's district so these people represent like a whole lot of people not just for vote your thoughts well you know they can't be marginalised at all but we have to remember what we're discussing this that dissent dissent really is a bedrock of democracy I mean as so as data says we need both sides I mean the Democratic Party's extraordinarily diverse not only racially but also ideologically and we're seeing this play out now at the end of the day the goal has to be to get rid of the orange orangutan but in but in the meantime these folks are the before in the squad they have constituencies if ALC was not speaking up believe me some of the people that she represents will be saying something to her if I added presley who defeated a popular democratic congressman on the what was her her her mantra was changed cannot wait so if she was now waiting she would be betraying the people who voted first i applaud them and i applaud speaker pelosi at the same time i'm in san francisco sitting in her district and if i lived at home

6 thoughts on “Saturday Night Politics with Donny Deutsch 7/13/19 FULL | MSNBC News Today July 13, 2019

  1. You cannot put it to rest the voters gave dems a majority to che Trump But the spesker seem to want to go slong with Trump

  2. You want to avoid fight in the democratic party well white Democrat should simply acknowledge the fact that there continue to be a race problem let us fix it

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